From: naikoli naikoli <naikoli0231@yahoo.com.br>
Date: 28 December 2006 1:08:22 AM
Subject: [forum-loriku] Re: Speech by President of Partidu Republikanu
--- naikoli naikoli <naikoli0231@yahoo.com.br>
escreveu:
Fretilin nebe ida?Fretilin Estatus quo (Alkatiri + Maputo groups) ka Fretilin Mudanças(FM?Tamba FM transforma ba Partido Politika ne realidade!
Natal diak no Tinan Foun Kmanek!
ARN
--- Eden Tilman <metros94@yahoo.com> escreveu:
I congratulate this newly founded political Party in our country. This is one of the best Parties with good political, economic, social and educational programmes, it has clear vision for future and briliant strategies for progress to take place in Timor-Leste! It deserves to be the second major Political Party in Timor Leste in the next election.
For Fretilin to have an oposition with quality, good and clear vision for future! Timor Leste certainly will be a peaceful and democratic state based on the rule of law and the will of majority!
SPEECH BY PRESIDENT OF PARTIDU REPUBLIKANUJOAO MARIANO SALDANHA, PH.DAT THE OCCASION OF PARTY LAUNCHINGVenture Hotel, Bidau-Lesidere, Dili, 18 Dezembro2007
32 comments:
Dear all,
The republikanu party should never be existed.
It is yout choice Mariano. Better to be follower rather than becoming suicide leader.
Kumu Liman
Hey friend.
The founders of the Reublican Party are still Timorese. Your name must be derived from your slogan "Kumu Liman" which means UNITY. Timor-Leste can only be developed and prosperous when all timorese without discrimination come together in one thought UNITY. Be positive thinking and free yourself from the eclipsal fear of the past.
Roman
Hi,
Unity with people who have same principles, not with someone who still still proceed his mission to destroy east Timor in different ways.
Are you really some who fought and suffer for Indepedence?
Kumu liman or unity to fight enemies of the nation.
Better you follow him.
East Timor people know who is Mariano
Kumu Liman
Dear all,
There was no vision without past. It is crucial important to have a better people with great values rather than disgraceful criminal people.
I woul say, look at their political direction. They were wrong in the past but if they dare to appear now as timorese participating in the nation building, why not? You can not bar them because their action is in accordance with the constitution. Look at their intention, look at their "Manifesto Politico" You know, conscious of their past failure, they might appear now as corner stone to save the situation that maybe you hava had worsened. Remember that saying " Os revolucionarios de hoje serao os grandes traidores de amanha e os grandes traidores de serao os grandes revolucionarios de amanha" This is the saying of our beloved heroes and this has become reality so far. We came to the power with extreeme haughtiness, we minimize everybody including the church. We have been diving in the mudy swamp of euphoria of the victory and we forgot the essential thing of serving people. The misery increases, the gap of rich and poor became abysmal, corruption at every segment of the government composition, fomenting violence, hatred, criminality alias almost all against the noble principles of Fretilin. So if Republican offer itself to well serve the people let them do unless they revert to the idea of Autonomy to Indonesia. So my friend be democratic, free, and positive thinking.
Thanks
My fellow East Timorese,
After reading your views, i came to conclusion that you are one of the staged propaganda against our infant nation.
At that time you take democrcay for granted to contradict the true reality where Fretilin the only party advocated for East Timor's Indepedent. If There was no party a build East Timor case for self-determination, East Timor will never be an indepedent nation. Hsitory speaks for themselves.
If you try to use those old philosopical views to justify your destructive action, it can only lead to the death of your party.
I tell you, the majoriry of East Timor will never associate with people who have criminal behaviour and immoral . Even
I personally never want to join the partidu Repulikano because i have my own concious and moral not to empower the existence of this party which is justified and designated have committed a serious crime despite the fact East Timor has not laid down the law yet to bring them to jsutice.
Your philosophy must be this one, " I am born crimminals, you will be crimminals."
No investors in this world will establsih their relationship with a party or leader who have such crimminal backgrounds. You can go arround the world and learn their legal culture and ways of life.
If I join this party, my life East Timor will be in dagerous and unsettle.
All saldanhas are bioligically and politicallly inherited crimminals. They use their academic status to perform as a great man, but you have diffirent profile within East Timor history.
One day, I will stand beyond the people to confront you and specifically againts Repulikano and his personnel.
Better way for saldanha and low profile. It would be much more better if he helps Luolo.
Freilin has done a great things and liberating things in our history and Fretilin have laid the greatest revolution regardless of the mistakes. Revolution in the name of human rights, freedom and justice never be justified as political crimminal behaviour, but who those who have committed crimminal for the sake money and decide to use the greatest philosophy of East Timor liberators is abolutely nothing. There is no need to follow them.
The Fretilin genuine's attention is the build East Timor as an indepedent nation. I urge you not to use the small mistakes and failures that was committed when Fretilin alone under serrius pressure to againts the enemies of the East Timor will for Indepedence and preparation to againts Indonesian invasion when other political parties invited Indonesia to kill east Timor and destroy their property.
If your really intelectual, i hope you to understand that things that happen in East Timor is the result of multi dementional issues. Some of them are power struggle, egoism and the frustation of intelectaul puppet, evils who have no chance to enjoy power.
Small people are the victim of that situation.
If you compare East Timor consitituion with other civilised consitituion, East Timor consitution is one of the best constitution ever. Ramos Horta has been travelled arround the world that East Timor consititution is the best. One parameter is that Fretilin rely on international to establish constitution.
But constitution is not magic bullet. That is why i said earlier in this site that we all adopt sophosticated system, but the majority of east Timor especially Saldanhas and his associeted members are very primitive. For instance, they can't distinguish the academic world and political process in East Timor.
For me it is simple solution. Xanana, Ramos Horta, Marii and Carrascalao, and Belo and other qualified leaders must work together. No need to label ourself with Unity government in order to create a triangle leadership, " A voz do Comando.", but united in diversity within current system.
Let things that happen in East Timor is a lesson. But never take this advantage to establsih your party as the party of Intelectual people. Also, never spoid any crimminal behaviour.
These old generation has built a nation in which Saldanha againts it as a result of his analytical thinking and theoritical basis.
I prefer Abilio Osorio to have own party rather than all intelectual man like Saldanha. They are the who provide ideas and policies to powerful groups people in East Timor and uneducated people fall with their academic ambush.
It is time now for old leaders to work together and begin to build trust and friensdhip.
My Last message to Saldanha is this you better help Luolo then slowly bring you up if not it will never work for you or find another way.
I am genuine in my suggestion if you don't believe and over analtyical and rational then go ahead.
I tell you one things, East Timor people have beeb affected in many ways. For instance even their brain has been shapped to be much more violent and it can reach the level of Insane because the enourmous pressure on their brain and struggle to survive day by day. There must be special approach for them.
If Xanana build CNRT, let Fretilin mudanca exist and other Fretilin lead by Luo Olo, it will be extreme dangerous. Old leaders must work together now.
I hope Saldanhas and his associates to reflect rather spend time arguing.
To end, I refer to the book of Ramos Horta, " Unfinish Struggle"
Adeus
Loriku Aswain
Where are you Mariano? I want to heard from you!!
My fellow East Timorese,
After reading your views, i came to conclusion that you are one of the staged propaganda against our infant nation.
At that time you take democrcay for granted to contradict the true reality where Fretilin the only party advocated for East Timor's Indepedent. If There was no party a build East Timor case for self-determination, East Timor will never be an indepedent nation. Hsitory speaks for themselves.
If you try to use those old philosopical views to justify your destructive action, it can only lead to the death of your party.
I tell you, the majoriry of East Timor will never associate with people who have criminal behaviour and immoral . Even
I personally never want to join the partidu Repulikano because i have my own concious and moral not to empower the existence of this party which is justified and designated have committed a serious crime despite the fact East Timor has not laid down the law yet to bring them to jsutice.
Your philosophy must be this one, " I was born crimminals, you I am and will be crimminals."
No investors in this world will establsih their relationship with a party or leader who have such crimminal backgrounds. You can go arround the world and learn their legal culture and ways of life.
If I join this party, my life East Timor will be in dagerous and unsettle.
All saldanhas are bioligically and politicallly inherited crimminals. They use their academic status to perform as a great man, but you have diffirent profile within East Timor history.
One day, I will stand beyond the people to confront you and specifically againts Repulikano and his personnel.
Better way for saldanha and low profile. It would be much more better if he helps Luolo.
Freilin has done a great things and liberating things in our history and Fretilin have laid the greatest revolution regardless of the mistakes. Revolution in the name of human rights, freedom and justice never be justified as political crimminal behaviour, but who those who have committed crimminal for the sake money and decide to use the greatest philosophy of East Timor liberators is abolutely nothing. There is no need to follow them.
The Fretilin genuine's attention is the build East Timor as an indepedent nation. I urge you not to use the small mistakes and failures that was committed when Fretilin alone under serrius pressure to againts the enemies of the East Timor will for Indepedence and preparation to againts Indonesian invasion when other political parties invited Indonesia to kill east Timor and destroy their property.
If your really intelectual, i hope you to understand that things that happen in East Timor is the result of multi dementional issues. Some of them are power struggle, egoism and the frustation of intelectaul puppet, evils who have no chance to enjoy power.
Small people are the victim of that situation.
If you compare East Timor consitituion with other civilised consitituion, East Timor consitution is one of the best constitution ever. Ramos Horta has been travelled arround the world that East Timor consititution is the best. One parameter is that Fretilin rely on international to establish constitution.
But constitution is not magic bullet. That is why i said earlier in this site that we all adopt sophosticated system, but the majority of east Timor especially Saldanhas and his associeted members are very primitive. For instance, they can't distinguish the academic world and political process in East Timor.
For me it is simple solution. Xanana, Ramos Horta, Marii and Carrascalao, and Belo and other qualified leaders must work together. No need to label ourself with Unity government in order to create a triangle leadership, " A voz do Comando.", but united in diversity within current system.
Let things that happen in East Timor is a lesson. But never take this advantage to establsih your party as the party of Intelectual people. Also, never spoid any crimminal behaviour.
These old generation has built a nation in which Saldanha againts it as a result of his analytical thinking and theoritical basis.
I prefer Abilio Osorio to have own party rather than all intelectual man like Saldanha. They are the who provide ideas and policies to powerful groups people in East Timor and uneducated people fall with their academic ambush.
It is time now for old leaders to work together and begin to build trust and friensdhip.
My Last message to Saldanha is this you better help Luolo then slowly bring you up if not it will never work for you or find another way.
I am genuine in my suggestion if you don't believe and over analtyical and rational then go ahead.
I tell you one things, East Timor people have beeb affected in many ways. For instance even their brain has been shapped to be much more violent and it can reach the level of Insane because the enourmous pressure on their brain and struggle to survive day by day. There must be special approach for them.
If Xanana build CNRT, let Fretilin mudanca exist and other Fretilin lead by Luo Olo, it will be extreme dangerous. Old leaders must work together now.
I hope Saldanhas and his associates to reflect rather spend time arguing.
To end, I refer to the book of Ramos Horta, " Unfinish Struggle"
Adeus
Loriku Aswain
Where are you Mariano? I want to heard?
You and your associates have done a significant harm to the people of East Timor.
I want to heard from you now!
My friend Loriku,
Why you said criminals? Just because they provide ideas or help drafting the Autonomy concept? My friend this is really anti-democratic thingking. You know they were allowed to contest in the referendum which means that no criminal stain was branded to them by UN. It was a political conviction. If in legal process they were discovered as instigating crimes that's the diferent story. The milicias did that but you must be deeply concious that they were all controled by Indonesian military. They could share the guilt. But opting for autonomy I think is not a crime, that's why they were accepted in a democratic process sponsored by UN. Indpendence won and they accept. What's wrong? But my friend distributing guns is indeed a serious crime. Don's say they are under presure, but it was with full conscience to dominate and shut the mouth of other political contenders.
On joint efforts for politicak harmony I agree with you, so I would invite you to start developing a concept or initiative to stimulate these leaders to work together. As intelectual you must be capable enough to do this. Revive the FORSAREPETIL, gather all academicians and farsighted people to make this a reality. I am just an AILEBA and can only witness from the edge. But my friend stop your negative thinking because you'll simply die under its psychological pressure. You must learn to love them, the Pro Autonomies, by trusting in the philosophical transformation. They could be heroes of our economic development in the future.
Fuanboot
My friend,
It is simply. it is not about what argument you make, but it is about what East Timor people know about them.
The crime of ordinary people in the street and the crime of Intelectual people must be constructed. Not only ordinary people.
Never again allow the intelectaul people to make such excuses. Justice must be prevailed for any type of indivdual in the society.
I ask you that never use love to beg for support. It is natural to love.Love and politics are two distinct values.
My love for my homeland is to prevent and stop any move that is going to be dangerous for East Timor.
I have no ambition at all to compete againts old generation. I just want to support them and achieve what people want because it is not yet time to do that.
IF you love East Timor people never againt aggravate their pain by establishing polical party when there is serius tense.
Never again build moment for East Timor destruction.
Never mask your self with democracy to intelectualising East Timor destruction.
Never again use democracy as a sanctuary for protection.
Evil is evil. Crime is crime.
I hope you reflect
Loriku Asswain
My fellow,
I agree with you that East Timor Intelectual must lead the nation, but not now.
How to get there? It is not by establsihing party.
Over rationalise always put Saldanya in trouble. I hope Mariano can master some skills how to trust his feeling than his mind.
His mind is really enemy for him.
Loriku Asswain
Hey Lorico,
The meaning of politic is "Ethics applied to the Society for the betterment of this very society" So if you say ethics there must be based on moral integrity which consequently has its base on LOVE. You are politician you are dealing with lives and these lives all imbue the eagerness to be loved as the paramount requisite. So politic is not a thing disassociated with Ethic and ethic is identic to moral whicg has its base on Love. So my friend I invite you to discern more deeply on the real meaning of Politic linking it with love.
Fuanboot
My fellow,
I don't know where East Timor is heading.
It is better for you to get out there and tell people to love each other.
Have you incorporated ethics, moral and love with your Republikano party?
I hope you and Mariano can do that or you both do it as a curtain to cover your existence.
If you and Mariano can preach the politic of love in East Timor, you both will change the world.
See you and take care your mind
Loriku Asswain
My friend Asswain,
I did not say politik of Love but Politics must be identic with Love. So you are talking about politic and on politic you hate people, how come? You see many people say "Milicias are bad" they kill, they scorn, they hate. Now you reflect if you are not do the same!!!!! My friend a good politician is she/he who has the heart to forgive her/his enemies. Those who proclaim hatred are not politician nor an intelectual.And this is not a real character of an asswain.
Fuanboot
My fellow,
The real character of Asswain is to fight until the jobs is done againts enemies of the nation who are now masking themselves with love, constitution and democracy.
What you dream is about an ideal world. But you must be realistic that none on this plannet love everything.
So, i will never love Mariano Saldanha and his associate who are dangerous figure of organising crime in East Timor in order to destroy East Timor by deceiving the innocent East Timor.
East Timor people have not yet recovered for your past political attitude. If you love East Timor people don't deceive East Timor and destroy East Timor national leadership with your programs as a way of escalating and formenting the destruction of the nation and you all use constitution and democracy to protect your self. constitution and democrcay never work in that time. It is not time yet to apply an approriate measures.
Do I need to love you?
The world and East Timor people who love humanity and justice will never allow you this happen any more.
If you love East Timor people stop manouvering and stop inciting people.
I love people who suffer the most, but my politic is to fight against enemies of the nation. My love to East Timor keep government stable and let the old leaders work together. That is my political conviction and my love to East Timor
This is my disctintion about love and politics.
Are really an intelectual and loving person?
I hope you reflect more than spent your time arguing.
You must know, when you can fit the context
Loriku Asswain
Hey Lorico,
I really believe you'd very much happy when people brand you as a great politician. The way you come with your view point supports that. But my friend you should deepen even more your preception that a good politician is she/he who is able to forgive her/his enemy. You are far from this quality, so meaningless to say you rae a politician neither an intelectual. Your heart is full of hatred, megalomania and at the same time you feel chased by paranoia. Why I say this, because you feel the people will not support the Republican Party, let the people decide!!!! Why are you "Kebakaran Jengot"? You are not from Fretilin because Fretilin was the one gave birth to RDTL (Republica Democratica de Timor-Leste) But you are now trying to deviate RDTL to the meaning (Republica Ditatorial de Timor-Leste) Reflect that you are anti-Democratic.
Fuanboot
Hi my fellow,
I will bow downto to my fellow East Timorese who have great role and political attitude in the past.
I will let East Timor people strike Mariano and his party to Death and his associate in one way or another
Alhought Mariano has not been punished yet legally, but he is now under moral punishment forever.His politic is politic of crime.
I ask you, you never take democrcay and freedom for granted. No freedom and democracy is used to intelectualise crime.
If you abuse the democrcay and you will pay the price dearly.
The harsh punishment must be prevailed for Mariano and his associates.
Whatever labal you make, the survival of East Timor as a nation is much more important the political rights of former intelectual militia.
East Timor will never choose your party. The death of your party and yourself just arround the corner.
Bye for now
Loriku Assswain.
Asswain,
If you say Alkatiri is morally punished because of his negligency that paved the way for guns distribution, I really agree. I think Mariano has accepted the Independence and as Timorese he wishes to contribute. This is a noble initiative. You said you are going to strike Mariano to death? This is a real criminal. I think you are behind intelectualizing the violence in Dili. But mu friend, never can be hidden forever. You will find yourself behind the fences. Republican Party is already registered accordingly to Constitution. So better not to engulf yourself in critical situation that could harm your future.
Fuanboot
Hi my fellow,
It is what you think not me.
Alkateri is a greatest man. Turn East Timor into nation, not like Saldanha- YOU.
Mariano enjoy killing people in his intelectual way.
Mariano better stop now rather create a serrious troube for his entire life and his assiciates
The death of Mariano will be like a mouse. The death of Marii is another freedom for East Timor.
Loriku Asswain
My fellow,
East Timor does not need Mariano to contribute.
The bright future of East Timor does not depend on Mariano and his assocciates.
Loriku Asswain
Asswain,
One can not say the bright future of TL depends on Mariano. But let him envolve and we will see whether he wins or not. TL is Democratic and hindering people to express their political view is anti-Democratic like what Mari has always say maybe after consulting with you "So Fretilin mak bele garante estabilidade no instabilidade ba Timor Leste" Very odd and sound dictatorial.Alkatiri is a great man because he could be able to almost influence F-FDTL to affiliate to Fretilin in order to guarantee the 50 years reign. He should have been resigned when one of his Minister is cought commiting crime.
Fuanbot
My fellow,
Let someone. like you-Mariano, who have committed crime againts humanity?
There is no democracy and freedom that guarente such as political crime to involve in political activities.
You can't find such rights even in America.
Time will come and the process we already begin on this site.
I believe great people outside there, but You-Mariano and your followers.
Fretilin diserve to lead as long as people choose them.
Loriku Asswain
My fellow,
Mariano's Crime is his crime. Not his family's crime. Xanana's crime is his crime.
Do you understand what law is?
So, that is the way you preach love. That is the way you understand consitution and law.
Only prime minister on this earth who is ready to face the true.
Mariano must do the same.
Marii will never resign to allow the country to be destroyed by intelectual criminals or enemies of the nation.
He is true man and defender of East Timor human rights. Even, he can't please every single individual, but he has done the great things.
If you put a new preposition about him, i may agree with you.
I hope he will be.
To destroy East Timor is to destroy powerful party. To destroy powerful party is to target the enfluenced leaders.
Former militia in Timor such as Mariano take change.
The people who really fight for indepedence stand together to make old leaders to work together in this difficult moment.
To devide leaders is to destroy East Timor.Mariano and you are now using this as one of your move. Former militia members in Dili take chance to kill former leaders such as Xanana.
Wherever you are, you will pay the price one day.
If you can tell the most dangerous things that Marri have committed to destroy East Timor as a nation, I would possibly agree with you. Old premises is just propoganda.
For me i never care whatever he says to someone at certain time. I just want to know his political attitude in reality.
Thanks
Loriku Asswain
My fellow,
You and Mariao, don't fill your entire life with trouble and risk.
Do something else instead politic.
Thanks
Loriku Asswain
I know you have bee along these times studying Staline's ideology.
Never want to recognize the truth even if he slowly chewed by his untruthful policies.
You have a bad mind and thus just wait until the waves of true democracy comes to push you to recognize your failures.
Man is a polical being. Why do you hinder people to do politics? You are not intelectual. Better recognize Antonio Aitahan Matak.
Fuanboot
My fellow,
whatever your blames are, but we all do is to share ideas. We all will find the truth.
If your ideas is good for people. they will follow. We all share joy.
Whatever reasons you make, I only hope the spirit of Asswain put their eyes on us.
I do hope you understand the nature of policy. Policy is not absolute true in it. It changes at anytime.
I don't need you to trust me, I trust my knowledge and judgment.
Loriku Asswain
Asswain,
This is the perception of policy applied in 75. Now we are in 2007. Any policy must be for the good of the entire people without distinction. I stick to the constitution which requires all single policy to be based on. So I feel quite funny to learn from you that policy must not be always absolute. Like the perception on Politics that must be always dirty. Oh my God ... where are we going to bring this whretched people? of course heeeeellllll.
Fuanbot
My fellow,
You think it is funny because you don't understand the nature of policy and constitution.
There is nothing straightforwards. All depends were the greatest principles are apllied.
You better not to invole in politics. The good job for you is this : Sell firewood. If you keep stick on your price there would be no problem, but if sell fish and stick with your price all the day and carry your fish along the way for all day, it will get stinky because you want to apply a same policy for two different things, you will be in serrius trouble because you have bad policy. You want a good policy for firewood must be same policy when you apply for fish.
That is why we need distinction.
So,i hope you can understand your way of thinking.
See you and better go to hell
Loriku Asswain
Dear all,
Loriku Asswain will fly to another area of our country.
The other side of the town, loriku no cumputer.
I will be back within six months.
I hope you can remember Loriku.
Bye for now and keep debating. Because debating is the beginning we explore and examine the right things.
Loriku Asswain
Haaa haaa haaa, Loriku asswain now become Lorico assuikun.
The analogy of trading goods is the same you are thinking the right thing that we must not stick to the same price otherwise we ourselves would spoil our products. We mus adapt to the situation and condition. So I advise you that as we are in a different situation which conditions are too interdependent better you leave the idea of viewing Fretilin as ghost. The principle of single party is no longer relevant. So lighten the price and seld your product out before spoiling.
Fuanboot
The result of the election: Partido Republicano didn't not get any seats at all. ADEUS PR!!!!!!
Il semble que vous soyez un expert dans ce domaine, vos remarques sont tres interessantes, merci.
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