17 November 2006

Estudantes Medisina Timor-Leste nian iha Kuba “di’ak liu no disiplina tebes”

> From: Abel Pires da Silva <abel_piresds@yahoo.com>
> Date: 17 November 2006 2:09:30 PM
> To: renetil@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [renetil] Fw: [timor]Estudantes Medisina Timor-Leste nian
> iha Kuba "di'ak liu no disiplina tebes"
> Reply-To: renetil@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> Programa Bolsu de Estudu entre Timor-Leste no Kuba ne'e hala'o,
> hahu ho diskusaun entre Prezidente Xanana Gusmáo no Prezidente
> Fidel Castro iha sorumutu ida iha Kuala Lumpur iha 2003, no iha
> tempu ne'eba Governu Kuba oferese bolsu estudus hamutuk ba ema nain
> 50.
>
> Maluk Ze', Ita bot dehan katak PRograma ne Alkatiri nia
> Inisiativa...Ida nebe mak los??
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> From: John MacDougall <johnmacdougall@comcast.net>
> To: east-timor-studies@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:30:38 PM
> Subject: [timor]Estudantes Medisina Timor-Leste nian iha Kuba
> "di'ak liu no disiplina tebes"
>
>
> REPỨBLICA DEMOCRẤTICA DE TIMOR LESTE
>
> GABINETE DO PRIMEIRO MINISTRO
>
>
>
>
> Dili, 17 Novembru 2006
>
> Komunikadu Ba Imprensa
> Estudantes Medisina Timor-Leste nian iha Kuba
>
> "di'ak liu no disiplina tebes"
>
> Estudantes Timor-Leste nian hamutuk nain 498 ne'ebe hala'o hela
> sira nia estudu iha Kuba, konsidera hanesan estudantes sira ne'ebe
> di'ak liu kompara ho estudantes medisina husi nasaun seluk ne'ebe
> estuda hela iha ne'eba – termus de rezultadu no disiplina, tuir
> Vise Ministru Saude, Luis Lobato
>
> "Ita nia juventude sira foti ona Timor-Leste nia naran tamba sira
> servisu maka'as no hatudu ona sira nia disiplina," Hateten senhor
> Lobato. "Autoredade Cuba sira nian hateten mai hau katak ita nia
> estudantes sira ne'e di'ak liu hotu."
>
> "Laran no vontade di'ak ne'ebe hatudu ona husi sosiedade no Governu
> Kuba durante ne'e, bo'ot tebe-tebes, alende numeru estudantes 498
> ne'ebe iha ona, Kuba sei buka tan ita nia estudantes hamutuk nain
> 200 iha fulan balu oin mai."
>
> Nasaun seluk hamutuk 21 mak haruka ona sira nia estudantes hodi ba
> estuda iha area medisina nian iha Kuba, ne'ebe hanesan nasaun ida
> ne'ebe ki'ak no dezenvolve hela, maibe iha sistema saude ida ne'ebe
> di'ak liu iha mundu – iha kazu balun, di'ak liu tan kompara ho EU,
> ne'ebe ho hospital publiku iha fatin balun la di'ak liu ho hospital
> sira iha nasaun ne'ebe dezenvolve hela.
>
> Kuba mos haruka sira nia doutores hamutuk nain 302 hodi mai servisu
> iha Timor-Leste tomak. Husi numeru ne'e, doutores liu husi numeru
> 120 mak hanesan doutor espesialista ne'ebe servisu iha Dili,
> Maliana, Baucau, Suai, Oecuse, no Maubise. Maske Governu Timor-
> Leste mos kontribui orsamentu balun ba programa ida ne'e, Governu
> Kuba agora dadaun mak selu vensimentu husi ninia doutores sira ne'e
> hotu no ita nia estudantes sira ne'ebe estuda hela iha Kuba mos la
> persiza hasai orsamentu ruma hodi hala'o sira nia estudu.
>
> Primeiru Ministru Dr Jose Ramos Horta ohin loron apresia komitmentu
> no korajen husi doutores Kubanu sira ne'ebe servisu hela hodi ajuda
> Timor-Leste.
>
> "Durante krizi ne'ebe grave tebes iha fulan Maiu, Junu, no Julhu
> nia laran, ita nia doutores Kubanu sira hela kompletamente iha ita
> nia suku no hospital sira ho pasiente no ita nia ema sira, oferese
> moral, fo suporta mediku no fisiolojiku ba ita nia ema sira," tenik
> Dr Ramos Horta.
>
> "Ida ne'e kontrariu ho voluntariu Korpu da Paz Amerikanu sira,
> ne'ebe maske la iha ameasa ba sira nia seguransa, no moris di'ak
> hela iha area rurais sira, hetan ordén husi administrasaun EU nian
> hodi sai husi ita nia nasaun.
>
> Kubanu sira nia aten barani no komitmentu ne'e mos kontrariu ho
> Japoneza sira iha JICA (Japanese International Co-operation Agency)
> ne'ebe halo interupsaun lalais ba sira nia kooperasaun iha Timor-
> Leste, maske la iha ameasa ruma ba sidadaun Japoneza sira, liu-liu
> iha area rurais.
>
> Programa Bolsu de Estudu entre Timor-Leste no Kuba ne'e hala'o,
> hahu ho diskusaun entre Prezidente Xanana Gusmáo no Prezidente
> Fidel Castro iha sorumutu ida iha Kuala Lumpur iha 2003, no iha
> tempu ne'eba Governu Kuba oferese bolsu estudus hamutuk ba ema nain
> 50. Iha sorumutu ne'e, atende mos husi Dr Ramos Horta ne'ebe iha
> tempu ne'eba hanesan Ministru Negosiu Estranjeiru no Kooperasaun.
>
> Tuir fali mai, Governu Kuba aumenta tan numeru bolsu de estudu ne'e
> ba maksimu 1000.
>
> "Agradese tebes ba laran di'ak ne'ebe hatudu ona husi nasaun ida
> ne'e, ne'ebe relativu konsidera hanesan nasaun ida ne'ebe ki'ak.
> Wainhira ita iha maizumenus estudantes hamutuk nain 500 ne'ebe bele
> ramata sira nia estudu no fila hikas, hamutuk ho sira ne'ebe estuda
> hela iha Timor-Leste no nasaun seluk, ita sei iha rasio entre
> numeru doutores sira no populasaun ne'ebe mak as hanesan ho nasaun
> dezenvolvidu balun," sublina Dr Ramos Horta.
>
> "Timor-Leste hetan sorte tamba bele iha nasaun amigo barak, maibe
> hau tenke husu, buat importante saida mak ita bele simu nudar
> garantia ida ba sistema saude ba ita nia ema sira?. Ida ne'e mak
> buat ne'ebe mak ita simu husi nasaun Kuba.
>
> Primeiru Ministru hateten katak Timor-Leste seidauk intervein ba
> kistaun interna husi nasaun seluk nian no sira nia desizaun ba
> sitema politiku.
>
> "Iha posibilidade katak EU no Kuba la iha relasaun diplomatiku no
> iha hela pozisaun "La iha funu, la iha paz," iha durante tinan 40
> nia laran,," Dr Ramos Horta hateten,"Maibe Timor-Leste iha relasaun
> ne'ebe metin tebe-tebes ho nasaun rua ne'e.
>
> "Governu Kuba tau matan ba ita nia juventude sira ho di'ak tebes.
> Ita nia estudante sira bele práktika sira nia relijaun sein
> intervensaun ida no hau husu ona ita nia igreza hodi bele haruka
> ita nia kapelaun ida ba iha Kuba hodi fasilita nesesidade
> espiritual husi ita nia estudantes sira.
>
> "Hau mos husu ona ba Amo Bispo Carlos Belo hodi ba vizita ita nia
> estudantes sira no Amo Bispo sei realize viazen ne'e iha tempu
> badak oin mai."
>
> Iha loron Segunda-feira foin lalais ne'e, Primeiru Ministru no Vise-
> Ministru Saude ba partisipa sorumutu ida ne'ebe hala'o ho inan-aman
> no familia husi estudantes sira nian iha Dili. Dr Ramos Horta
> hateten ba inan-aman no familia estudantes sira nian ne'e katak
> Timor-Leste sente orgolho tebes ho komitmentu husi estudantes sira
> nian ba nasaun ne'e.
>
> Timor-Leste mos iha estudantes medisina ne'ebe hala'o hela sira nia
> estudu iha Indonesia, Portugal, Filipina, Fiji, Malazia, no Australia.
>
> "Wainhira ita nia doutores sira fila hikas iha 2012, hau espera
> katak ita sei iha doutor ida ba kada suku ida," Hateten Dr Ramos
> Horta.
>
>
> Hakarak informasaun ne'ebe detalhu bele kontaktu ho :

[renetil] STL: Ratusan Pemuda Lakukan Kontak Damai

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Fernando da Costa" <atocost@yahoo.co.uk>
> Date: 17 November 2006 7:00:45 PM
> To: <renetil@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [renetil] STL: Ratusan Pemuda Lakukan Kontak Damai
> Reply-To: renetil@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> Hau komprende katak buat nebe sira halo iha surface deit maibe ida
> ne'e pasu positive ida. Ita hotu persija esforsu an liu tan hodi
> hadiak situasaun ida ne'e. Atividade saida deit mak ita halo tenki
> liga ho kontribusaun hodi hadiak situasaun iha ita nia rai laran.
>
>
> Mak ne'e lai,
>
> AC
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: renetil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:renetil@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf OfAbel Pires da Silva
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 12:36 PM
> To: renetil@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [renetil] STL: Ratusan Pemuda Lakukan Kontak Damai
>
>
> Iha Iraq ho Palestine, ema ba oho malu tanba IDEALISME, maibe iha
> Timor "dollar tahan hira oan" mos to'o ona atu haruka ema ba oho malu!
> Anyway, paranbens ba maluk sira nebe mak hakas an organiza asaun
> DAME sira ne...
>
>

Fwd: [renetil] Re: FW: News on Timor



Begin forwarded message:

From: Gulad Cruz <gulad_cruz@yahoo.com>
Date: 10 November 2006 1:11:47 PM
Subject: [renetil] Re: FW: News on Timor


* Church behind plot: Alkatiri
* The Age, November 10, 2006, Lindsay Murdoch (Writer)
 
DEPOSED prime minister Mari Alkatiri has accused the Catholic Church's
hierarchy in East Timor of being behind a conspiracy to destroy his
Fretilin Government.
 
Mr Alkatiri lashed out at the church's leaders in an interview before
leaving East Timor for Portugal for medical treatment on Wednesday,
saying the main reason they wanted to depose him was because he is not
Catholic.
 
 "I don't say it was the whole of the Catholic Church. But it was the
hierarchy," Mr Alkatiri said.
 
"And they were joined by other groups . people from the opposition
parties and illegal groups within the country."
 
Mr Alkatiri is a Muslim in a country in which 96 per cent of its 1
million people are Catholics and the Catholic Church is by far the most
powerful institution.
 
Since being forced from office amid violence in June, he has refused to
say who he believes was behind what he says was a well-planned
conspiracy to topple him.
 
But he told the online Southeast Asian Times the plot started in 2001
and included three weeks of street protests last year during which he
refused repeated calls to stand down.
 
"Since then they were always trying to get support from institutions and
individuals within the country . always with the same purpose: to force
the Government to step down."
 
He said a "sense of impunity" surrounded army mutineers and prison
escapees and called on Australian troops to arrest them.
 
President Xanana Gusmao and Prime Minister Jose Ramos Horta lacked the
courage to defend the constitution when violence flared in Dili in April
and May, he said. Mr Alkatiri is being investigated for alleged links
with a civilian hit squad set up to kill political opponents, which he
denies.
 
Domingos Soares, Catholic Church spokesman in Dili, said the church
would not respond to his claims.
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Ida ne'e mak kebiasaan ema Arabi no Timor, ne'ebe gosta soe rai rahun ba ema seluk nia matan
 
Guladino Cz
 
 


Fwd: Res: [renetil] Re: Church behind plot: Alkatiri



Begin forwarded message:

From: Abel Pires da Silva <abel_piresds@yahoo.com>
Date: 17 November 2006 2:19:37 PM
Subject: Re: Res: [renetil] Re: Church behind plot: Alkatiri


Mungkin benar bahwa Kita semua adalah ORANG YANG RAKUS UANG DAN KEKUASAAN tetapi ada perbedaan PRINSIP antara kita orang biasa yang rakus dengan Alkatiri yang memiliki Kekuasaan untuk mengelola UANG ORANG BANYAK yan terbukti BANYAK SEKALI!!!

Serakus-rakusnya orang yang berada di luar Kekuasaan, masih lebih berbahaya orang yang meski tidak rakus, tetapi punya SEGALA kekuasaan, dan lebih berbahaya lagi jika telah terbukti RAKUS dan ada usaha-SISTEMIK untuk MELANGGENGGKAN kekuasaannya!

Selamat bermimpi!

----- Original Message ----
From: Lamukan Fera Kakutak <lamukan@yahoo.com.au>
To: renetil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:19:36 AM
Subject: Re: Res: [renetil] Re: Church behind plot: Alkatiri



 
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Re: Res: [renetil] Re: Church behind plot: Alkatiri


On 17/11/2006, at 1:19 AM, Lamukan Fera Kakutak wrote:


Sayangnya, setelah aku telusuri baik-baik, aku juga adalah salah satu "ORANG MUNAFIK YANG RAKUS UANG" itu. Meski telat menyadarinya, tapi aku merasa beruntung, karena orang tuaku tak lupa membaptisku menjadi orang katolik, meski aku jarang ke gereja sekarang. Jadi "kekatolikkanku" dapat menjadi "salvasaun politik" bagi semua perilaku "imoral" yang aku lakukan.
 
Aku tak bayangkan jika aku adalah orang Arab yang islam. Pasti nasibku akan lebh jelek dari "si arab bin islam bin marxist bin Fretilin bin komunis yang bernama Mari Amude bin Alkatiri."
 
Kadang aku pikir Yesus itu lahir di Balibar dan besar bersama orang tuanya di Dare. Aku lupa bahwa ia lahir di Belem dan besar di Nazare. Akan sangat bodoh bila aku katakan bahwa Balibar itu ada di timur-tengah. Apalagi bilang bahwa dibanding Belem, Balibar itu lebih dekat Yemen (asal usul moyang Alkatiri).
 
Nurani katolik beda dengan nurani islam. Nurani religious beda dengan nurani politik.
 
Salam dari "orang munafik yang rakus uang" untuk semua teman yang berhati nurani.
 
LFk 

Lorosae Photography <lorosaephotos@yahoo.com> wrote:
Suara hatiku mengatakan bahwa manusia Timor-Leste
harus mempunyai prinsip. Kalau kita nggak punya
prinsip ya kita juga nggak sama bedanya dengan orang
atau negara yang kita kritik. Itulah yg yg terjdi di
TL saat ini.

--- Victor Tavares <victortavares2@yahoo.com.br>
wrote:

> Lalu apa kata hati nurani anda sendiri ? Turutlah
> suara hati anda yang berbisik itu ! Dan pilihlah
> sesukanya sesuai dengan kalbu yang mengatakan bahwa
> ITULAH yang paling BENAR bagi anda...atau mungkin
> LEBIH BAIK bagi masyarakat da rakyat kita.
>
> Abrasu
> Victor
>
>
> ----- Mensagem original ----
> De: Lorosae Photography <lorosaephotos@yahoo.com>
> Para: renetil@yahoogroups.com
> Enviadas: Sábado, 11 de Novembro de 2006 11:30:20
> Assunto: Re: [renetil] Re: Church behind plot:
> Alkatiri
>
> Si munafik yang rakus uang!
>
> Ketika Ex PM melakukan kunjungan kenegaraan ke
> China, Ia dikritik habis-habisan mengenai
> kunjungannya ke negara komunis tersebut oleh
> beberapa orang anggota parlemen dari partai oposisi
> dan beberapa pastor dari gereja katolik . Kemudian
> setelah Xanana ke China dan bahkan ke Vietnam semua
> orang diam. Bahkan "Tempat Berak" air munum untuk
> para demonstaran dari gereja untuk menurunkan si MA
> pada 2005 disumbangkan oleh pemerintah China lewat
> kedutaan besarnya di Dili.
>
> Kemudian si Ex PM melakukan kunjungan kenegaraannya
> ke Cuba, ia kembali dikritik habis-habisan oleh
> beberapa orang parlemen dan pihak gereja. Tapi
> setelah sekitar 600 orang putra-putri Timor-Leste
> diberikan beasiswa oleh pemerintah komunis tersebut
> tidak ada suara dari orang-orang yang dulunya
> mengkritik kunjungan si MA. Bahkan saudara sepupu
> dan keponakan dari beberapa orang anggota parlemen
> dan pihak gereja yang menentan kebijakan PM pun
> turut dikirim malah ikut mengantar saudara sepupu
> dan keponakannya sampai ke Airport. Munafik
> sekali...
>
> Lalu seteleh si MA kembali melakukan kunjungan
> kenegaraannya ke Kwait bersama beberapa pejabat
> pemerintah dan pers Timor-Leste, ia kembali dikritik
> oleh beberapa anggota parlemen dari oposisi dan
> pihak gereja yang memepertanyakan kunjungan ke
> negara islam tersebut. Beberapa minggu setelah Ramos
> Horta di angkat jadi PM dan kemudian berkunjung ke
> Kwait, tak ada satu suara pun yang menentan
> kunjungannya. Setelah pemerintah Kwait mengucurkan
> dana sebesar 600 Juta USD untuk pembangunan TL
> berkat hasil kunjungan Ex PM dan menurut pihak Deplu
> TL bahwa sebagain dana tersebut yang saat ini di
> alokasikan oleh RH untuk pembangunan taman depan
> Palacio do Governo, tak ada yg mempermasalahkannya .
> Ternayata orangnya yang tidak disukai tapi $$$$$$
> hasil kunjungannya di terima:)) Pantas Indonesia
> dulu bilang "Orang Tim-Tim itu kalau di tembak
> dengan peluru tidak tembus, tapi kalau ditembak
> dengan rupiah tembus."
>
> Komentar sedikit di atas untuk membuka kembali
> rasionalitas kita. Kebanyakan orang merasa dirinya
> yang paling benar pada sadar bahwa dirinya sendiri
> pun melakukan kesalahan. "Ibaratnya seperti anjing
> yang mengonggong anjing lain makan supaya anjing
> tersebut pergi dan dia yang makan. Di Timor-Leste
> saat ini kalau mau jujur tidak ada lagi
> pemimpin-pemimpin yang jujur.
>
> Ze'
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Abel Pires da Silva <abel_piresds@ yahoo.com>
> To: renetil@yahoogroups .com
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 2:39:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [renetil] Re: Church behind plot:
> Alkatiri
>
>
> Keta haluha maluk sira...Primeiru Alkatiri dehan
> OPOZISAUN mak hakarak hatun nia, liu tiha 28 Abril
> 2006, depois Alkatiri hamosu TEORIA FOUN katak MALAE
> NAIN RUA mak buka ema tun-sae iha Timor atu hatun
> nia. Tuir fali TEORIA FOUN LIU TAN, Alkatiri dehan
> Australia mak halo tun nia hamutuk ho Media
> Australia sira. Ida ne mos la hotu iha ne MOSU TAN
> TEORIA FOUN, Alkatiri dun Xanana ho nia Ferik-oan
> mak Hatun nia. Ikus liu ne mak TEORIA IDA TAN,
> Igreja mak hatun nia!!! Aban keta hakfodak se nia
> dun fali Rogerio Lobato mak halo nia tun!!!
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Manuel Fonseca Monteiro <lito_fonseca@
> yahoo.com>
> To: renetil@yahoogroups .com
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:25:59 PM
> Subject: [renetil] Re: Church behind plot: Alkatiri
>
>
> Kegagalan bo'ot ida ba hierarquia igreja iha Timor
> se halo conspirasaun ho opozisaun atu hatun Mari ho
> cara violencia nebe maka'as/bo'ot ida hanesan ne,
> nebe halo sarani ho sarani mak oho malu, nauk malu
> sasan, baku balu nebe lao tuir kedas SANTANAS nia
> doutrina.
>
> Gulad Cruz <gulad_cruz@yahoo. com> wrote:
> * Church behind plot: Alkatiri
> * The Age, November 10, 2006, Lindsay Murdoch
> (Writer)
> DEPOSED prime minister Mari Alkatiri has accused the
> Catholic Church's
> hierarchy in East Timor of being behind a conspiracy
> to destroy his
> Fretilin Government.
> Mr Alkatiri lashed out at the church's leaders in an
> interview before
> leaving East Timor for Portugal for medical
> treatment on Wednesday,
> saying the main reason they wanted to depose him was
> because he is not
> Catholic.
> "I don't say it was the whole of the Catholic
> Church. But it was the
> hierarchy," Mr Alkatiri said.
> "And they were joined by other groups . people from
> the opposition
> parties and illegal groups within the country."
> Mr Alkatiri is a Muslim in a country in which 96 per
> cent of its 1
> million people are Catholics and the Catholic Church
> is by far the most
> powerful institution.
> Since being forced from office amid violence in
> June, he has refused to
> say who he believes was behind what he says was a
> well-planned
> conspiracy to topple him.
> But he told the online Southeast Asian Times the
> plot started in 2001
> and included three weeks of street protests last
> year during which he
> refused repeated calls to stand down.
> "Since then they were always trying to get support
> from institutions and
> individuals within the country . always with the
> same purpose: to force
> the Government to step down."
> He said a "sense of impunity" surrounded army
> mutineers and prison
> escapees and called on Australian troops to arrest
> them.
> President Xanana Gusmao and Prime Minister Jose
> Ramos Horta lacked the
> courage to defend the constitution when violence
> flared in Dili in April
> and May, he said. Mr Alkatiri is being investigated
> for alleged links
> with a civilian hit squad set up to kill political
> opponents, which he
> denies.
> Domingos Soares, Catholic Church spokesman in Dili,
> said the church
> would not respond to his claims.
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------
> --------- -
> Ida ne'e mak kebiasaan ema Arabi no Timor, ne'ebe
> gosta soe rai rahun ba ema seluk nia matan
> Guladino Cz




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