From: Abel Pires da Silva <abel_piresds@yahoo.com>
Date: 4 January 2007 8:53:10 PM
Subject: Re: [ETSA] Re: Speech by President of Partidu Republikanu
Reply-To: ETSA@yahoogroups.com
Alkatiri has managerial skills, but unfortunately he is Blind, deaf, and love confrontation...
Ramos Horta only likes cameras + journalists, etc.
Choose your leader!
Natacha Almeida <natacha_almeida@yahoo.com> wrote:
My concern is if east timor just had a president then it will be worse in term of governing a democratic state. Xanana, if elected in 2007, could be one the worst dictator in south east asia and certainly worse, than Alkatiri, in his centralistic approach over political decision making.These recent events have proved it clearly. He will ridiculously attack anyone,anywhere, or any political party that is not in line with his political ideas. I mean this man is already a living god for some timorese, if he is to take the rule as a sole executive president without a proper power balance and sharing, one can just imagine what east timor as a state would be transformed into. If not a Xanana Republic then a banana republic would be the worst scenario.
Ken Westmoreland <ken_westmoreland@hotmail.com> wrote:
14 comments:
Please dont be shortminded.
Xanana should have been advanced with a single powerfull political party which was CNRT in year 2001. He ever sounded this alternative once when those stupid historical leaders composing FRETILIN were on a severe quarrel of power in 2000. You know what happened the ALKATUL Fretilin all run to meet Xanana for compation not to pursue with CNRT as political party for they know it would atract all people and there would be no other political contestant. Xanana observed the norms of Democracy he got compation and advised them to sign what they called "PACT of NATIONAL UNITY" with promise not to make dishonest political campaign. But now I think one CNRT- like oranaization is really needed because FRETILIN betrayed and violated the PACT. It is needed to heal the wound and save the nation.
Fuanboot
Fuan boot,
I agreed with you! To have better Timor that we were all dreaming for, I think we need to restore our national unity. CNRT will be the most ideal party for that, once again, Xanana will safe Timor. I have heard that CNRT is just a conditional party, once the unity and stability has restored, CNRT will be closed! Xanana is the man with his heart dedicates to people whom he loves as ever!
Long live national unity!
G Cromos!
G Gromos
Go and educate people don't loose time. You did that in the past at the eve of Referendum 99. Now you should do again. Educate people to have an open mind for not seeng Fretilin as Holy Ghost. It is a simple Party. It could loose a long the history. But People not!!!! we must save right now. Go and teach people. This is an evangelization. Teaching the Truth, LOVE, Fraternity, Democracy, Freedom, Rights and obligation and avoid confrontation.
Fuan boot
Ask you yourself? Do it.
If you think Fretilin is simple party. You really denegrate Fretilin.
If you want to lead and your party to win, you must go turn off East Timor's people mind that Fretilin is simple party. Only that you will stop me not to spend my time.
Is Fretilin is simple party?Is that way you teach the Truth, LOVE, Fraternity, Democracy, Freedom, Rights?
You will big loser forever. Your life will be full of disaster.
I think you experince my obligation when you read my email.
Do you understand democray as a confrontation of ideas?
Do you understand that democracy does not belong to people who have commited a serrious crime againts humanity and not to have rights in politics of the nation?
You better go studying at school of thought to make you understand how to think well. If you can't think well how you can govern East Timor.
Loriku Asswain
Dear Brother,
I did a mistake not to thoroughly explain. Fretilin is an IDEAL which in fact can never be turned into a Political party. It was already adored by everybody without distinction but you and your comarades from Maputo spoiled it. Now Fretilin as political party, is simply as political party that will loose one day. Remember that we are in South East Asia and not in Africa. Australia, Indonesia, and other countries in the region will not accept the politic of iron fist.If you are intelectual you'd not support the idea of turning Fretilin as Political party. Once again it is an IDEAL, sublime IDEAL that should be adequately preserved for the sake of all nation.
Fuanboot
My fellow,
I am not sure how you define intelectual. It is too high for me. I am simply having ideas.
Well, there is a historical argument and process which provide an strong condition to turn Fretilin, which was a kind of movement, to a political party.
I hope you can make up your mind.
I believe you that there was no need for you to read East Timor history. But when you consolidate all information you know, you find will an argument to justify the truth whatever the origin of Fretilin might be.
This is our history, i never want to argue with people likr you who possess own history as myself because you are not deaf and blind.
Loriku Asswain
Asswain,
You are talking to a person who has lived along with Fretilin idealism from the begining. I mentioned intelectual because it is the strenght that is able to preview what is coming next. Indonesia had its Partai Nasionalis Indonesia (PNI) which was erected by Sukarno and taken as the political guidance of the nation on to Independence. It was indeed very respected and seen as ghost at those erliest times of Independence. But now you see what happened. Indonesian People said "Ah kita tidak makan sejarah koh" then they choose some other else. I also lived the history of resistance under Fretilin Guidance but after looking to developments sorrounding me I started to doubt the life of Fretilin as Political Party. More over it has shown the iron fist at the first stage of its governance. So my fellow, if you are intelectual, History must not drive you. It can only serve as reference to properly measure your steps because nowadays, in this era of globalization Histories strongly appear to influence one another.
Fuanboot
My fellow,
I understand your doubt as St. Tome. If I am not mistaken. It is normal for a weak person.
If you really live under the guidance of Fretilin resistance, i hope you stay in the game.
Don't kill Fretilin with poison if you have still have honey.
The history of Fretilin is the history of Asswain who stood firm to die and defend homeland as your self. if what you said it is true.
Fretilin is the only herritage that our fellow East Timorese inherited to us and next generation.
There is nothing impossible, I never turn back to Fretilin.
Fretilin is the soul of every East Timoresse who love truth.
As Xanana said, " Fretilin as the one who teaches me to love my land and my people."
What if the soul of your herroes turn to you, " why do you againts me?"
You are answer will be , " I am doubt."
I hope you stay in the game. We need incremental change.
All East Timor people who fight for indepedence is Fretilin. Only Mariano is not Fretilin.
Hopefully God bless you and the spirit of Asswain can liberate you from political evil and let Mariano alone to gace priceless death.
Fretilin make me proud who i am at that moment. I have a nation not East Timor province or part of Indonesia as Mariano wanted to be. land into nation. East Timor is now a nation. Who did it all?
Xanana's collateral politics never be used to againts the origin of political Freedom.
The mistake of any individual is never be identic the work of Fretilin. Fretilin is about the greatest liberators of our land. I respect Fretilin above all and respect the spirit of Asswain; men and women.
I proud of Fretilin who bravery stood up, Falintil and the Asswain people, defend East Timor from the invasion. Now again, Fretilin lay down East Timor consititution. How greatest Fretilin is.
Under Marii leadership, Fretilin fight for the wealth of the nation until Fretilin wins.
The enemies of the nation never recognise those history.
The history of East Timor is the history of Asswain people.
How can somene like Mariano who lacked political judgement in the past be greasted political judgment of that today and in the future ?
A man without history is a man without a future.
Adeus
Loriku Asswain
My fellow,
If you don't know how to fit well within local politics, how can you place East Timor in global context?
As you said, " History must not drive you. It can only serve as reference to properly measure your steps because nowadays..."
Is history as a significant instruments for measurement or not? yes or not?
if yes, does the history drive you to make a proper measurement for your steps?
if not what is an approriate explantion?
is there a substantial correlation between measurement and drive? yes or not?
Please explain?
Loriku Asswain
Asswain, you are now trying to revive that old fashioned concept of Particularism. Suharto always said that Human Rights must consider culture thus born Particularism. It was to nourish his satanic wish of continue to crash his people. You appear with local politics which is very2 odd. I have already told you in concise manner the meaning of politic. History can only be reference. History is all what happened in the past. Not all that content of history should be taken as reference. I am Fretilin and I know exactly a sublime IDEAL tought by this historical movement which is "Independence is our Dignity" This is the one we mustaccept. But it thought also that Fretilin is the only representative of Timorese People. This one we must disregard because of its discriminative and unrealistic character. Independence, we have achieved not and it is not only for Fretilin but to all timorese without distinctionand it was attained through the popular choice. Here you must say that Independence belongs to everybody and as such all components of the nation have the same right to fill up this Independence. The end.... Timor Leste is not an exclusive property of Fretilin.
Fuanboot
My fellow fuan kiik,
What you are telling is an your opinion and opinion of frustated man like Mariano Saldanha and others.
Well,
Only Fretilin establish a strong political case for Indepedence in 1975. It is the unique fact in the political history of East Timor and it is worldwide record. Xanana was only one man. All who worked with Xanana during the guerrila was members of Freilin." The restjust came join FRETILIN after they were aware the existence of Fretilin was not a day dream.
That why is Xanana always said, " Fretilin teach me how to love my land and my people." It is greatest history that Xanana learnt and he follow it . Only you who wants to disregard Fretilin. Because you are really hunger for power. Because Marii did not give to you due to your incopentent and ignorance.
Again, You are really a frustrated man. Fretilin never claim East Timor belongs to one party. Even thought Fretilin was the only party that led East Timor to achieve indepedence in 1975 until the end, Fretilin now allow multi-party and estabslih constitutional government and modern government. Is it old fashion? East Timor is Fretilin sacred land. I tell you there will be no single political party that will build an heaven on East Timor land, But remember, ONLY FRETILIN BUILD EAST TIMOR AS A NATION. This is greatest work FRETILIN as a party.
Yes, Independence belongs to Reinaldo, Rogeiro and everybody in East Timor, but not for Mariano and partidu republikanu. There is must be a clear distinction.
Again, I tell you FRETILIN IS SUPREME POLITICAL PARTY OVER OTHER POLITICAL PARTY IN EAST TIMOR.
I tell you you you never mix human personality with the greatest things that Fretilin has done. Remember what Xanana said," Fretilin teach me how love my land and my people."
So, the history of Fretilin is a greatest lesson to reflect upon, follow and apply into our daily political situation.
you better change your name to Fuan Kiik ka kiak.
I hope you love Fretilin. if so you are Fuan boot
Loriku Asswain
You are not Lorico, moreover asswain. Because your statement clearly stick to the bad principle of "Unico e Legitimo Representante do povo" Xanana said he was tought how to love by Fretilin and I too. But I must recognize that Fretilin alone leading the resistance we would have been sunk under the deepest ocean of Indonesia. Xanana was Fretilin and continue to be Fretilin (the genuine one) he realized that weaknesses and he decided to leave Fretilin to gather other strenghts which are from UDT,KOTA,TRABALHISTA,APODETI,CHURCH alias all komponent of the nation to gain the Independence. Here my friend, the mad principle of Unico e legitimo Representante is no longer relevant. I would say the contrary as a Fretilin adept that if there's no a national unity concept Fretilin alone was moribund already and 2001 (The fall of twin tower) was the time of bureal for Timorese Resistance. We would have happy with the Autonomi selua2nya under Red and White.
Please reflect....
Fuanbot
Hi my fellow,
Xanana's role was just a branch of tree and other parties and institution join Fretilin not bacause of Xanana, but the right for selfdetermination is the right way towards self-determination. So, Fretilin was only one advocated for Indepedence.
All East Timor must realise it. Learn to love the truth. It is the way we estabslih our political culture and identity and many others.
My fellow, you must separate principles and process. CNRT was a part of process. If it did not work at that time, there was must be different proecss. There is no principle without transfromation.
You can check with United Nations. UN already had a plan for International mediation to bring UDT and APDETI together. CNRT was small part of it.
The political transformation was already establihed in 1976. It was not Xanana who thought about Transformation. But, Fretilin leaders. You will see it all one day.
Althought Fretilin leadership is not so perfect in everything, but it is Fretilin who deliver independence, an island Timor become the Democratic Republic of East Timor.
There is no building on this earth without a strong foundation. Xanana's role was just to fix windows or a tiny part of the building.
You must recognise the truth. Whatever your polical proganda is in order to gain, you never change the political foundation of East Timor Freedoom.
Fretilin made a healthy polical choice after years of oppression. it was not mad principle.
I tell you Xanana never leave Fretilin. If he left Fretilin, there would no support for him in the mountains and he never separate Falintil from Fretilin. It was a concensus and strategic choice.
I tell you again CNRT was as a place of pigs to tame the wild pigs
I hope you are really Fretilin, you must be genuine. Things will get better, if we push the old leaders work together.
The successful leadership will be great strenght for future leadership.
If not, we are in trouble, Those who think best for East Timor is never try to take sides. All old leaders must lead and united people.
If you are Fretilin, you must be brave. There is nothing eternal.
Believe it or not, none of our leaders want to destroy East Timor.
See you
Loriku Asswain
My fellow, I guess this discussion is between 2 Fretilins. You maight be from Fretilin Maputo and I Fretilin for Progress. Responding to your comment I'd rather choose a paragraph there which says "He never separated Falintil from Fretilin and it was a strategic Choice" Which means that after Independence Falintil must be reafiliated to Fretilin, right? This is indeed the case that had thrown our country into chaos. Xanana tought "We must change" Then he promoted National Unity concept. From CRRN-CNRM-CNRT (Convergencia Nacionalista). Here the principle of Unico Partido had changed. The one thought and continue to think that it was a startegic choice was/is you and your other radical comarades. That's why after independence you all pressured Xanana to give the power back to Fretilin. Xanana refused. How can you say it was strategic choice? He was the leader of resistance that I think for sure he was not to stupid to disply himself as an inanimate object!!!! Again, for sure what causes all these problems was that mad principle of Unico Representante do Povo that to remain intact, F-FDTL must be reafiliated to Fretilin so as to make it a single party that reigns for ever.
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